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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 16 Jan 2023 - 09:33 Post title : Short TORs | | | Hi to all! This is my first message on this forum and I am proud to become member of Your community. Sorry if I make some typing mistakes, I am from Serbia so my English is not so good. Last month I purchased used stock Tbird 1600 (2010.) with 18.000KM (some 11K miles) from Switzerland, the bike appears like new, has all the regular service history from dealer etc., it has been ridden rare by the PO and was staying in garage most time. So far I changed the engine oil and filter and I bought a pair of used short TOR exhaust pipes. I simply switched the stock pipes that the bike came with for the TORs, without messing with any other tunes, maps etc. I am an old fashioned DIY kind of guy who messed with carb vehicles all life, so I am pretty unfamilliar with computer ECUs, maps and such stuff. Anyway the engine sounds far better now, it works pretty nice and so far I haven't heared not a single backfire, no matter how hard I deccelerate. What I did notice is that it looks like the cold engine startup is a little worse, like it needs to crank for a few seconds before it starts (I am talking only when stone cold engine) and it will need some minute or so of idling before it starts running nice (in that meantime it will not respond nice to throtte). Now for the riding performance - it accelerates mind blowing up to 100km/h (60mph), havent measured but I guess under 4 seconds. From there to 160 km/h (100mph) the acceleration power progressively decreases and when it hits 100mph I feel like it rans out of real power, it could push more, I guess maybe up to some 115mph/180kmh, but pretty lazy and would take a lot of time to reach that. Now, is it normal for this bike or I should do the remaping for TOR exausts? I am confused as I have read tons of topics abour TORs and everybody say that there will be backfiring if you use them with stock map, but as I mentioned I had not even traces of backfires. Over here in Serbia there is only one Triumph dealer which is not so familiar with older Tbirds so I can't rely on them a lot. Thanks for any info!
Alex
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| | | daz | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 05:16 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: alexgoldwing) | | | Welcome. And yes, i'd definitely load the Tors tune not just because you have tors, but even with the stock exhaust the tors tune starts and runs better. Lots of people ran into issues with the stock 1600 tune and found the tors 1600 tube fixed the issues. Either have your dealer do it or get a cable to connect the bike to a laptop and use the app caled "TuneECU to load the tors tune. I forget what cable you need but maybe someone else here can point you to it. The app is no longer available from the site of the developer and i'm not sure he's even doing it anymore. But I and others here have it and i for one can email it to you. Not sure i have the tune, as mine was changed to a 1700 early on. But i'm sure someone has the 1600 tors tune and it may still be found online. I think the guy may still be developing phone versions of it but i don't think it;s still free and probably doesn't have a archive of tunes for the old app. You'll just have to research it and others here will probably chime in with more info and maybe the map you need.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 05:29 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: alexgoldwing) | | | Wow, i just found the site and it's still there. Heres a link to the 1600 tune for aftermarket pipes... Link And heres the site. Not sure what your first language is but it has several you can choose... Link
There may be something on the site about where the old app is vailable but i didn't see anything after a quick look. But you should be able to find it and if not i can email it to you like i said. You just have to find the right cable on ebay and as i mentioned, someone here i'm sure can tell you.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,404 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 06:23 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | Daz as far as I know the current TuneEcu is not free like the old one and if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled.
Mostly if you don't change the air filter to a high flow ( keep the stock paper one) and just do free er flowing mufflers you don't need to change the tune. Yes the stock tune is lean but so is the TORS tune relative to it's purpose.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 06:49 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
Daz as far as I know the current TuneEcu is not free like the old one and if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled.
Mostly if you don't change the air filter to a high flow ( keep the stock paper one) and just do free er flowing mufflers you don't need to change the tune. Yes the stock tune is lean but so is the TORS tune relative to it's purpose. |
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I know, i said that above. It's a android app and he charges for it. But I'm talking about the old PC app. Not sure what u mean by " if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled". Why would you connect to the internet with it? It's just connects to your ECU with a canbus cable. Like i told him, i have it and can email it to him and i linked the tune he needs. He just needs the cable. As for the 1600 tune, I and a lot of people found the tors tune runs a lot better with any setup, totally stock, tors, tors and aftermarket filter. I and a number of others also have hot starting issues with the stock 1600 tune. You top a hot bike to run into a store or whatever and come back out and it won't start. Tors tune totally eliminated that for me and some others. And it just runs much better. It's not about mixture, in fact i think the tors tune is leaner. I think it's likely cam timing. But whatever it is its just a better tune regardless of hardware.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 07:26 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | Thanks a lot! I found this on Amazon Link I guess that is the cable+software I need?
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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 07:28 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Wow, i just found the site and it's still there. Heres a link to the 1600 tune for aftermarket pipes... Link And heres the site. Not sure what your first language is but it has several you can choose... Link
There may be something on the site about where the old app is vailable but i didn't see anything after a quick look. But you should be able to find it and if not i can email it to you like i said. You just have to find the right cable on ebay and as i mentioned, someone here i'm sure can tell you. |
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Checked out the links and downloaded the file you provided. So if I got it right, I could upload it to my ECU using the cable/software from the link I posted above?
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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 11:13 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: alexgoldwing) | | | alexgoldwing wrote:
Thanks a lot! I found this on Amazon Link I guess that is the cable+software I need? |
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Update: I did more research on internet and found out info that it is the safest option to use only authentic Tune ECU (not to buy CDs from auctions). So I found interface made in UK which has both cables for PC and Android phone, but without software. So could you then send me that Windows version of software at email like you said? My address is aleksand.pavlovic@gmail.com
Thanks a ton!
Latest update:
I managed to istall Tune Ecu from the link found on internet. I also found and downloaded maps for all the variations for both stock or aftermarket exhausts and for with or without SAI. Now I will purchase the cable/adapter and hope for the best :) Thanks a ton for priceless help!
PS. Here I found the maps:
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| | Post edited by alexgoldwing on 17 Jan 2023 - 14:44 |
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 16:20 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: alexgoldwing) | | | Looks like you got everything you need, tho i cannot confirm if that cable is right. Looks right but i'd get confirmation from another member who knows better than me. Also, check ebay because there are a bunch of them for $10which is what i paid.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,921 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 16:51 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | Wasn't the cable from Lonelec ?
| Never drink from a cow with one udder! 2010 1600 Blue&White ( of course ) Long TORS and HP filter.
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| | | MotorMac | | Jupiter | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 29/08/2010 | | Posts | : | 1,788 | | Location | : | Nor Cal, United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 16:59 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: alexgoldwing) | | | Great thread! Welcome Alex, we'll done, guys.
Given all the progress Triumph has made with the Thunderbird, think I'll start calling it the Teradactyl.
Such a great machine, should've had 1/3rd of market here by now.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 17 Jan 2023 - 18:54 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Linkdog) | | |
Linkdog wrote:
Wasn't the cable from Lonelec ? |
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It's made by many companies so it's a matter of choosing one with the best price barring crap quality, tho not sure if thats detectable. I just bought the first one i saw at a good price and it still works fine after a decade of use.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,404 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 18 Jan 2023 - 03:47 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | |
daz wrote:
Leethal wrote:
Daz as far as I know the current TuneEcu is not free like the old one and if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled.
Mostly if you don't change the air filter to a high flow ( keep the stock paper one) and just do free er flowing mufflers you don't need to change the tune. Yes the stock tune is lean but so is the TORS tune relative to it's purpose. |
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I know, i said that above. It's a android app and he charges for it. But I'm talking about the old PC app. Not sure what u mean by " if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled". Why would you connect to the internet with it? It's just connects to your ECU with a canbus cable. Like i told him, i have it and can email it to him and i linked the tune he needs. He just needs the cable. As for the 1600 tune, I and a lot of people found the tors tune runs a lot better with any setup, totally stock, tors, tors and aftermarket filter. I and a number of others also have hot starting issues with the stock 1600 tune. You top a hot bike to run into a store or whatever and come back out and it won't start. Tors tune totally eliminated that for me and some others. And it just runs much better. It's not about mixture, in fact i think the tors tune is leaner. I think it's likely cam timing. But whatever it is its just a better tune regardless of hardware. |
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Ok, from what I have been told is if you have the old version on say a LT and you hook that LT up to the internet the version can become unusable, whether the developer has some software that recognises the program and then disables it I'm not sure. I keep mine on an old LT that never gets connected to the net.
More air in, more exhaust out means more fuel required, I doubt the TORS tune is leaner. If you just do the exhaust you don't need to change the tune if you so wish. We all know they run better with richer tunes though.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 18 Jan 2023 - 08:34 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Leethal) | | | Eventually I ordered this adapter Link I am kind of "made in" freak so I will add some extra $ to see "made in UK" 
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| | | AZCactus | | Taranis | |  | | Reg. Date | : | 01/05/2013 | | Posts | : | 4,519 | | Location | : | AZ |
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| | Posted : 18 Jan 2023 - 12:45 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: MotorMac) | | |
MotorMac wrote:
Such a great machine.... |
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Two thumbs up MotorMac 
And welcome to the team, Alex!
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| | | alexgoldwing | | Set | | | Reg. Date | : | 29/11/2022 | | Posts | : | 9 | | Location | : | Serbia |
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| | Posted : 19 Jan 2023 - 13:20 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: AZCactus) | | |
AZCactus wrote:
MotorMac wrote:
Such a great machine.... |
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Two thumbs up MotorMac
And welcome to the team, Alex! |
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Thanks!
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,921 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Jan 2023 - 18:09 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Leethal) | | |
Leethal wrote:
daz wrote:
Leethal wrote:
Daz as far as I know the current TuneEcu is not free like the old one and if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled.
Mostly if you don't change the air filter to a high flow ( keep the stock paper one) and just do free er flowing mufflers you don't need to change the tune. Yes the stock tune is lean but so is the TORS tune relative to it's purpose. |
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I know, i said that above. It's a android app and he charges for it. But I'm talking about the old PC app. Not sure what u mean by " if you have the old one and connect to the internet it gets disabled". Why would you connect to the internet with it? It's just connects to your ECU with a canbus cable. Like i told him, i have it and can email it to him and i linked the tune he needs. He just needs the cable. As for the 1600 tune, I and a lot of people found the tors tune runs a lot better with any setup, totally stock, tors, tors and aftermarket filter. I and a number of others also have hot starting issues with the stock 1600 tune. You top a hot bike to run into a store or whatever and come back out and it won't start. Tors tune totally eliminated that for me and some others. And it just runs much better. It's not about mixture, in fact i think the tors tune is leaner. I think it's likely cam timing. But whatever it is its just a better tune regardless of hardware. |
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Ok, from what I have been told is if you have the old version on say a LT and you hook that LT up to the internet the version can become unusable, whether the developer has some software that recognises the program and then disables it I'm not sure. I keep mine on an old LT that never gets connected to the net.
More air in, more exhaust out means more fuel required, I doubt the TORS tune is leaner. If you just do the exhaust you don't need to change the tune if you so wish. We all know they run better with richer tunes though. |
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Could this be why even when connected to the bike in map edit it shows no map ,I'm using a laptop windows 8.1 and have used this to reload maps in the past. P.S. all of my maps are gone.
| Never drink from a cow with one udder! 2010 1600 Blue&White ( of course ) Long TORS and HP filter.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Jan 2023 - 18:36 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Linkdog) | | | I don't think this has anything to do with being connected to the internet. At some point that i believe was around 2015, Triumph purposefully designed into the firmware or whatever some code that recognizes tuneeuc if you try and use it and disables the ECU. Or so it was said. I have read it will ruin the ECU but i don't know if thats true or if it just disables the use of tuneecu. The latter would seem more likely, bu8t whatever the case if you have a bike thats newer than 2015 or whenever that change took place, u cannot use the PC version of tuneecu. I believe with the new tuneecu android app you can tho. Thats not an issue for alex tho since his is a 2010 1600.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,921 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 21 Jan 2023 - 19:32 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | Mine is a 12/09 no problems I was wondering why when I connect to the bike it doesn't read the map?
| Never drink from a cow with one udder! 2010 1600 Blue&White ( of course ) Long TORS and HP filter.
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,404 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Jan 2023 - 05:14 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | Daz all I know is that quite a few of members on a couple of FB pages reported that they had the old software and at some point when they wanted to use it , it had become unusable. The only recourse was to purchase the new version.
Looking at the current web page info, the Commander and LT are there for diagnostics and write map, not read map.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| | | daz | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 12/05/2009 | | Posts | : | 7,686 | | Location | : | United States |
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| | Posted : 22 Jan 2023 - 05:40 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Linkdog) | | | Linkdog wrote:
Mine is a 12/09 no problems I was wondering why when I connect to the bike it doesn't read the map? |
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I dunno, but I've been using a laptop with tuneecu for a dozen years and never had any issue loading maps. Now READING maps is a different thing and it takes forever to read them. I have only needed to do that once and it took 20 or 30 minutes if i recall. So your issue may just be that u didn't expect it to take so long so you thought it failed? But loading a map takes about 20 seconds. Never once connected to the internet with my laptop so not sure what thats about. Maybe that why leethal had issues....maybe connecting online causes some sort of issue? All i know is i have used mine to load maps for years offline and never had an issue.
| 2010 Blue/White Thunderbird, "Brutus". 1700 kit, short tors, gutted cat, UNI filter, filter seal off, custom tune. Brutus in his native habitat: Link
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| | | Leethal | | Zeus | | | | Reg. Date | : | 24/01/2011 | | Posts | : | 6,404 | | Location | : | Australia |
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| | Posted : 22 Jan 2023 - 21:20 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | I don't have any TuneEcu issues, the LT that my software is on never gets hooked up to the internet.
| Experience is something you get just after you needed it
1600,Foran Razorbacks, Meerkat bypass, Dyno tune, real headlight,plenty of chrome,switchblade pegs, Hagon Nitro shocks & Ikon progressive fork springs etc. Scorpion Western Low handlebars. PH adjustable fork caps.
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| | Posted : 04 Apr 2024 - 23:15 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: Leethal) | | | When did they start charging for Tuneecu? Not thatblame him
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| | | Linkdog | | Thor | | | | Reg. Date | : | 10/02/2011 | | Posts | : | 2,921 | | Location | : | Groveland, FL., United States |
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| | Posted : 07 Apr 2024 - 13:59 Post title : Re: Short TORs (Re: daz) | | | daz wrote:
Linkdog wrote:
Mine is a 12/09 no problems I was wondering why when I connect to the bike it doesn't read the map? |
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I dunno, but I've been using a laptop with tuneecu for a dozen years and never had any issue loading maps. Now READING maps is a different thing and it takes forever to read them. I have only needed to do that once and it took 20 or 30 minutes if i recall. So your issue may just be that u didn't expect it to take so long so you thought it failed? But loading a map takes about 20 seconds. Never once connected to the internet with my laptop so not sure what thats about. Maybe that why leethal had issues....maybe connecting online causes some sort of issue? All i know is i have used mine to load maps for years offline and never had an issue. |
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OK, not connected to the " outside world " when trying this. So now I'll try to leave it hooked up for a while to see if reads the map.
| Never drink from a cow with one udder! 2010 1600 Blue&White ( of course ) Long TORS and HP filter.
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